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Everything we know about UFOs is changing.

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Thanks to a team led by former Pentagon UFO investigator,

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Lou Elizondo.

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That is real, whatever that is.

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And former top intelligence official, Chris Mellon.

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This is a current continuing phenomenon.

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It's happening.

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It continues to happen.

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They discovered five unique characters.

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They discovered five unique characters.

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They discovered five unique characteristics that UFOs have in common.

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They call the five observables.

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And released groundbreaking videos.

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That forced the Navy to admit its pilots were coming face to face with unidentified objects.

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The US Navy made a shocking admission today.

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Strange flying objects caught on tape by their own fighter pilots are in fact UFOs.

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Something needs to be done.

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Now a new wave of military witnesses is coming out of the shadows.

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I'd be lying if I said I wasn't scared, Bliss.

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I've never talked to anybody publicly about this story.

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Certainly never on TV, that's for sure.

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When you're told as a soldier not to talk about it, you don't talk about it.

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I've never seen anything move like that.

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Shape, size, speed, it's clearly unidentified.

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The team is united on a new mission.

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Connect the dots to reveal the truth about UFOs.

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This thing had no capability, like anything on Earth.

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And warned the world about the dangers they might represent.

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Carl Sagan once famously said,

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Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

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He was absolutely right.

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But now we have the proof.

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In 2004, Navy pilots on a training exercise from the USS Nimitz

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reported coming face to face with a bizarre, unidentified object.

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Each pilot reported the same thing.

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The UFO had a smooth, oblong shape resembling a tic-tac

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and maneuvered in ways impossible to known aircraft.

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Video of the Nimitz incident shocked the world when it was released.

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But Lou Elizondo and his team believe that sighting is not unprecedented.

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New testimony suggests UFOs with similar characteristics to tic-tacs

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have been seen in nearly every American war zone in the last 50 years.

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We have American troops coming forward and reporting these things in combat theaters.

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The question is, why?

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Is there an active interest in us conducting warfare?

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Or is there an interest in the tools we use to make war?

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Conventional tools, nuclear tools.

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What is the connection?

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To investigate how widespread the sightings are

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and what threat they might represent,

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Elizondo was meeting with U.S. combat veterans,

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starting with one who served on the front lines in Afghanistan.

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Tell me a little bit about the situation.

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What province were you in and what was it like?

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Well, we were in Helmand Province.

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Also, man, we were in the hottest part of the country.

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The Taliban were getting really thick in that area.

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Suicide bombers were always trying to attack the main entry point,

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whether they could drive up a fuel tanker on the south side.

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Wherever they could try to get in, they were trying to get in.

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So was the tense time?

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It was very tense, yeah.

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In March 2009, President Obama had ordered a massive increase

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in American troops to fight the Taliban.

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18-4 up!

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Get about six men moving back there!

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The troops' search was just starting up.

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We were that line of defense between the Taliban

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Justin Dorfler was assigned tower duty.

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You are the first, last, only defense

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for everybody in that forward operating base.

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You're the eyes, you're the ears, and you're the weapon.

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What he sees that night changes his life.

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We had done our periodic scans.

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All was quiet.

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And we hear what sounded like an aircraft.

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It was clear night, stars were just out everywhere,

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but we could not find this aircraft.

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We could hear it.

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It sounded like it was flying pretty high.

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So I pull out the night vision,

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and it records both night vision

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Infrared cameras identify objects

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using temperature differences rather than ambient light,

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allowing objects to be seen in complete darkness.

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I look back up, I see this jet.

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And it was very high up there,

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but I could definitely see the heat.

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It was probably around five, 600 miles an hour maybe.

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But the weirdest thing, I saw it,

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at first was a shooting star.

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This shooting star, that cleared almost the entire sky,

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came to a dead stop, right at this jet.

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And so at that point, I'm trying to wrap my head around.

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How is this possible?

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Okay, so let's say, here's the aircraft.

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Yep, so there's the aircraft.

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It's coming by, and out of nowhere,

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this other thing just literally cleared the entire sky

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right up to it, went above, to the other side, down below,

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and then out front.

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Now, it sat there as, like, you're doing, flew right by.

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It goes right again, right up to it.

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Do you even think that the pilot was aware of it?

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Did you see the pilot take any type of evasive maneuvers?

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The pilot stayed on a steady track.

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First thought in my head is,

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how can someone pilot something like that

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without killing yourself?

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At the end of the day,

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aircraft move over in a predictable way

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because they are subject to the same laws of physics

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that everything else is.

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And yet, when you come across an object that's moving in a way

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that it shouldn't be,

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an arrow being shot out of a bow is gonna go straight.

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You don't expect it to do right-angled turns.

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And yet, that's exactly what these things are doing.

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The object Dorfler is describing

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matches two of Elizondo's five observables,

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instantaneous acceleration,

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or the ability to go from a complete stop

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to an incredibly high rate of speed

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and hypersonic velocity,

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speeds over 3,700 miles per hour.

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Capabilities, Elizondo says he's catalogued

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in numerous sightings,

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including the 2004 Nimitz incident.

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I'm kind of pulling nose to where he's gonna be,

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and he's coming up.

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He just rapidly accelerates beyond anything that I've ever seen.

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Crosses my nose and gets gone.

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And I'm like, whoa.

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It was so unnerving because it was so unpredictable.

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High G, rapid velocity, rapid acceleration.

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So you're wondering, you know, how can I possibly fight this?

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Instant acceleration, very, very fast velocities.

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Looks an awful lot like a flying white tic-tac.

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Are we talking about the same thing here?

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Sounds pretty similar to me.

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While the Nimitz tic-tac encounter

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Dorfler's sighting occurred in an active war zone

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to Elizondo's team member Chris Mellon

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that raises troubling questions.

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The issue of the source, the origin,

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the intent of these vehicles, of these craft

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is extremely pressing because we don't think there are,

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and therefore that raises a host of rather alarming, concerning questions.

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Have we been technologically leaped frog?

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Couldn't be the Russians or Chinese or someone else.

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Whatever he saw, Dorfler chose not to file an official report.

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I'm like, how do you write this?

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What do you say?

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Are you going to get locked up?

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Are you going to be made fun of by your peers

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for the duration of the deployment?

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But to Chris Mellon, the sighting represents a clear threat.

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These aircraft, these vehicles are demonstrating capabilities

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we do not possess.

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It's difficult to imagine a more urgent requirement

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than to find out who is operating these vehicles,

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why they're here, what their intentions are.

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This is the actual journal that I had in Afghanistan.

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I would do my daily entries and logs in this.

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Army specialist Justin Dorfler has agreed to divulge his account

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of a tic-tac-like UFO he says he witnessed while serving in Afghanistan.

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The moment of log entry was 11.56 in the morning.

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It started it off with, last night was fun,

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something weird that will confuse me for a life.

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It's the first time he's publicly shared this diary entry.

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Friday, September 4th, 2009.

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On my thermal scan, I could see the heat from a plane flying overhead

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in blackout mode.

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If it wasn't for the thermal imaging, no one would see it.

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Not even night vision.

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Ugh, this is gonna be weird.

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Okay, I don't believe in UFOs or anything,

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but something flew up at the plane faster than a missile,

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then stopped, looped over it so fast,

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then stopped, then around it, then took off so fast,

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had mock speeds in a zigzag pattern,

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then up and down and stopped again.

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Dorfler was so moved by what he saw,

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he actually wrote in his diary about the event

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and then had the judge advocate general notarize his diary.

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So nobody could accuse him of forging these notes after the fact.

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At the end of that whole sentence, I ended up putting all forever wonder.

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And I tried to, basically I suppressed that.

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That didn't happen.

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It just, it can't happen. That's not possible.

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When you see something, that defies science.

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And I am a person of faith.

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But I would be lying if I said that wasn't a faith shaker at the time.

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Some believe tic-tac-like objects are extraterrestrial,

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but could there be an earthly explanation?

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Former Air Force Test Craft Engineer and Aviation Week editor Bill Scott

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suggests the objects could be secret U.S. technology.

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We learned clear back in Kosovo days that you couldn't rely on just stealth alone.

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But what if it also had some kind of a protection mechanism?

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By the time the air campaign started in Afghanistan,

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there was a lot of new stuff that was being tried just to see how they work.

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Scott is describing small jet-powered decoys launched to fly alongside a plane,

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their heat signature used to confuse enemy missiles.

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They started calling them angels.

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They could fly around these vehicles in highly maneuverable ways.

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That could give you some strange visual effects from guys on the ground

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because a lot of maneuvers can trick you.

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While a missile decoy might explain what Justin Dorfler witnessed in 2009,

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can it account for a similar object seen nearly 30 years earlier?

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To investigate, Elizondo is meeting with a veteran who claims to have seen a UFO

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with tic-tac-like characteristics during the Vietnam War.

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Mr. Boshirz, how are you, sir?

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Thank you very much for your time and being here.

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My name is James Ray Boshirz.

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I was in the U.S. Air Force from 1968 to 1973.

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I've never shared the story with anyone except my wife

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and close friends that we made.

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This is an Air Force guy who decides to fly the biggest aircraft that we have,

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which is the B-52 Stratofortress bomber.

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that was the backbone of the U.S. aerial campaign in Vietnam.

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I flew missions in South Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and North Vietnam.

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I flew hundreds of missions.

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Southeast Asia, I know exactly, it was 101 missions

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because you have to do 100 to get that patch.

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Missions were going off around the clock.

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The enemy was trying to take over areas,

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and the B-52 turned out to be one of the most advantageous bombers.

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Their job is to fly a really long distance, drop bombs, and come back.

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It was 12 hours of complete boredom with about 30 minutes of sheer terror.

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June 1970.

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James Boshir and his crew were on their way back to Guam after a bombing run

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when they noticed an unidentified object heading their way.

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I was in command of the aircraft. I was a co-pilot at that time.

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And the navigator came on the intercom to me and said,

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co-pilot, do you see a bogey at about 12 o'clock and high above us?

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And I looked out the window and I just saw a bogey.

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I looked out the window and I couldn't see anything right off the bat.

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All of a sudden, I saw a white light, and it was up high,

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and it just kept getting bigger as it was getting closer to us.

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But it never fluctuated, it didn't flash.

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I said, wake up the radar.

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He came on the intercom and said, yeah, I've got a bogey for you at 12 o'clock,

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and it's really high.

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But I don't know if this is the best experience I'd ever heard of one of our aircraft

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being able to go up higher than 70,000 feet.

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This was already above 60,000 feet.

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Thousands of feet up in his B-52, James Boshiers realizes the rest of his crew

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is also an all of the object.

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And then the radar navigator comes back and says, holy smoke.

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This bogey just made a sharp left turn.

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It made like almost a 90 degree turn instantly.

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And we're going, nobody can do that.

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And he said, it's coming straight for us.

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The bright light he says he witnessed is similar to the nighttime reports

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of glowing white tic-tac-like objects during the 2004 USS Nimitz event.

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And like those UFOs, it displayed two of Elizondo's five observables,

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instantaneous acceleration, and hypersonic velocity.

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The radar navigator comes back and says, pilot, he succeeded 6,000 knots.

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And now he's made another sharp turn to the north at 6,000 knots.

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So the radar navigator said, I'm turning on the camera.

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He had a camera that could snap pictures of the radar screen.

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So we had proof that this thing was flying at the speed that it was flying.

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And he finally said, it's increasing altitude and it's over 6,000 knots and climbing.

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No transponder signals, no squawking, no radio, and then the light just disappeared.

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He said he lost him on radar when the object reached about 100,000 feet.

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The command pilot told the crew, he says, hey guys, well now you've seen a UFO.

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Boshir's reported the incident to Air Force Intelligence officers.

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What happens next would only deepen the mystery.

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So the radar navigator said, I'm turning on the camera.

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He had a camera that could snap pictures of the radar screen.

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B-52 pilot James Boshir spotted a Tic Tac like UFO after a bombing run during the height of the Vietnam War.

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He says his navigator was able to capture photographs of its flight path on his radar screen.

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But in their routine briefing with Air Force Intelligence officers the next day, something strange happened.

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We told them all about it and we wanted to know if we could get some copies of the pictures.

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And they said, yeah, that shouldn't be a problem. There's nothing out there.

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The next morning our radar went back to get the pictures and when he got there they said, oh, you can't have any pictures.

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They've reclassified them as top secret.

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So I'm in the process of gathering some information in order that I can initiate a Freedom of Information Act request through the US government.

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Believing these photos could provide important evidence.

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Elizondo and his team filed a Freedom of Information Act request, but there's been no response so far.

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Most of the time things remain classified for up to 25 years.

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I can't imagine why a photograph or the radar scope taking back in the 1960s would still after 50 years remain classified.

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With the missing photos revealed the earliest known Tic Tac.

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Some theorize these advanced craft are merely secret technology deployed by the US or an adversary.

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But could that explain the incredible speed and maneuverability Bocher says his crew witnessed?

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When they encountered this object somewhere over the Pacific Ocean in 1970, there's really only two man-made objects that could even fly at hypersonic velocities.

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Those were the man-made rockets that were putting people in orbit.

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And that was the X-15 experimental aircraft rocket plane.

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Keeping in mind a rocket goes up into space.

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It doesn't follow you if you're at a B-52.

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And the X-15 was a very specific purpose-built vehicle that was never flying over the Pacific Ocean.

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Chris Mellon believes the objects could be spying on US military technology.

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Bear in mind that those B-52s that we employed during the Vietnam War to deliver conventional ordnance,

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their primary function was as part of the strategic air command's nuclear deterrent.

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The potential adversary would be very interested in their capabilities.

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Not surprising that the Russians or Chinese would be interested in collecting on them,

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but it's hard to relate that particular set of observations with any known capability that either we or they possess.

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On the trail of tic-tacs, Elizondo is meeting with another Vietnam veteran.

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His testimony may provide more insight into UFOs reported during that war.

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I'm heading down to see Lieutenant Commander Brian Weston and meet with him in his home.

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When one of these individuals are sharing with you an experience they had in Vietnam, that carries a lot of weight.

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I think we need to listen to what they have to say.

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Hello, good sir!

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Hey, how you doing?

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Take some oranges if you want to.

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I was just gonna say, you know, I may take an orange or two.

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There you go, no problem.

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First of all, I want to thank you for your service.

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Lieutenant Commander Brian Weston is a highly decorated Navy pilot who flew dangerous low-altitude bombing runs over North Vietnam.

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Weston's A-6 intruder was one of the most advanced aircraft of its time,

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able to rain down 18,000 pounds of munitions onto the enemy under any weather condition.

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The unusual high-performance aircraft could have caught the attention of foreign powers, Russian, Chinese, or something else.

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You were awarded one of the highest honors that the Navy has.

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In the spring of 1966, the pilot of Weston's plane was wounded by North Vietnamese ground fire,

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and their aircraft crashed into the Gulf of Tonkin.

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For rescuing the wounded pilot from shark-infested waters, Weston was awarded the prestigious Navy Cross Medal.

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But while the harrowing experience nearly cost him his life,

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it's an incident that took place three weeks earlier that has haunted him for decades.

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Can you describe the events leading up to, with your pilot slash co-pilot, what you saw that day?

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That day was a mini-strike, which was kind of an in-between alpha strike,

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where you're really intense and losing people.

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We were going with two A-4 Charlies, and they're very slow.

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And so we're just trucking over to go to Ho Chi Minh Trail.

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April 6, 1966, Weston's A-6 intruder is accompanying the slower A-4 Skyhawks on a quick hit-and-run bombing raid,

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when suddenly he notices something strange off his right wing.

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This thing just wafted over the wing or right next to it.

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I mean, it was with an inch, it was that close, and I was going to say, did you see that?

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I didn't even get the duh out.

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What the f was that?

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And he banked the airplane to the right, and we're looking at the damn thing.

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Nothing. I mean, couldn't see the object, couldn't see a contrail, couldn't see a puff of smoke, couldn't see nothing.

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So what I'm going to ask you to do if it's okay, can you draw for me?

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I'm not a very good drawer.

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That's okay.

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Oh, you got it?

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Yeah.

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Okay, great.

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Kind of a ratio of about, kind of about like that.

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Just the size of a water heater.

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It's as if you took a humongous blob of mercury and puffed it up into that perfect shape, shimmering, perfect chromium polysilver.

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No windows, no wings, no protuberances, no little nothing.

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If somebody said, well, it could be a tic-tac, I suppose it could have been on the edge of, like a tic-tac type thing.

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The UFO, Weston says he saw, demonstrated another of Elizondo's five observables, anti-gravity.

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That's the ability to move without any obvious signs of propulsion, and it's a trait reported in multiple sightings of tic-tacs.

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I mean, it's not flying, no we know flying.

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I mean, to me it had to be, if it is there, sitting there, it doesn't just sit there.

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It has to be some way of controlling, like magnetically, or something.

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Yeah, some sort of physics.

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Some sort of physics.

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Did Weston witness a UFO similar to what later pilots compared to a tic-tac?

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Or can the strange metallic object be explained by military technology of the time?

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I'd like to know what the heck it was.

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And if it wasn't ours, and it wasn't the Russians, or the Chinese, or the North Koreans,

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I'm convinced that there's stuff out there that people don't want to come to grips with.

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You could throw out some possibilities.

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Very unlikely that it could be a gravity drop bomb, because they tend to go down very quickly.

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Pretty unlikely that it would be a surface-to-air missile, because pilots describe those as flying telephone poles.

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Fuel tanks would tend to drop away very quickly, and that pretty much leaves it in the category of, we don't know.

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If this is indeed one of our terrestrial adversaries, there's great cause for concern that we may have been technologically leapfrog.

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They're also demonstrating an interest in our technology.

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They seem to be very uncannily interested in our military capabilities.

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So we have every reason to be concerned about that.

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We're putting together the mosaic with disparate pieces of data.

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It's a bit like putting together a jigsaw puzzle.

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At first you have all these little pieces on the table, but little by little the more pieces you have, the more the picture becomes in focus.

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Llewella Zando has just interviewed a second Vietnam veteran about a strange object he saw in an active war zone.

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But he needs to gather more data.

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If we can establish the things that they were seeing back then in the past from the Vietnam War,

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are indeed the same types of vehicles being observed, and perhaps the same type of technology that we're seeing today,

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then maybe it'll help us figure out what these things are and where they're from.

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Today he's sitting down with a veteran who witnessed a similar object during the NATO bombing of Kosovo in 1999.

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Mr. Tarr, I presume.

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Hey, how are you, sir?

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Thank you very much for coming here and speaking with me. I really appreciate it.

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My name is Derek Tarr. I was a senior airman during the late 90s serving in the United States Air Force.

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This is the first time I've ever told this story.

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Derek Tarr was a boom operator on an Air Force KC-10, responsible for the mid-air refueling of NATO jets between bombing runs.

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You've got a lot of pilots out there, but you have very few boom operators.

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These individuals are trained experts on all sorts of Allied NATO aircraft.

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They know the difference between an F-18 Hornet between an F-117 night fighter and F-16.

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They know all these aircraft because they see them day in and day out.

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On March 24, 1999, Tarr is on a refueling mission over the Adriatic Sea when suddenly he sees a strange light.

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I was sitting in the boom pod in the back of the KC-10 just waiting for the next set of receivers to arrive.

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I noticed a bright light that was behind us slightly below our altitude.

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I just kind of hung back. Didn't seem to make any more forward progress towards our aircraft.

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That's when I kind of started to wonder what was going on.

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I called up to my pilot on the interphone to ask him if we had more receivers coming and said that we did not have anyone scheduled.

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Tarr says the control center monitoring the airspace reported all known aircraft were accounted for.

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We started into a turn and as I look back, it was just a bright white orb.

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It was very bouncy, almost like a super ball. Very short, very succinct, very sharp movements, but extremely rapid.

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The jostling or oscillations that it was doing were certainly not minute adjustments, probably several hundred feet up, down, side to side.

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Once I got to about our eight o'clock position, it did a rapid climb and just in the blink of an eye went straight up and just shot right up in the sky.

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Fastest thing I've ever seen.

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The UFO Tarr claims he saw was spherical instead of the oblong shape of tic-tacs, but it featured some of the same five observables.

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We have hypersonic velocities, instantaneous acceleration, and of course positive lift or vernacular anti-gravity.

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Four new sightings spanning decades in Kosovo, Afghanistan and Vietnam.

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U.S. military eyewitnesses reported single objects in close proximity to American planes.

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And in the 2004 Nimitz Encounter, where an entire carrier strike group was present, radar operators reported a fleet of objects.

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What Tarr saw and what the Nimitz folks had reported back in 2004, there were some commonalities in the performance of these things.

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The team needs to gather more data to address the biggest question. Are these the same objects? And if so, what are they?

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In the case of Derek Tarr's sighting, could the conflict itself offer a clue?

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Clearly when we engage Kosovo, we're operating in fairly close proximity to Russia and it's an opportunity for them to collect intelligence on these cutting-edge aircraft in the U.S. inventory, including the stealth bomber.

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The B-2 stealth bomber was first used in combat in the Kosovo war. At the time, it was America's most advanced aircraft.

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So all of those kinds of technologies are very pertinent to the Russian military who are constantly preparing for the eventuality in which they may have to engage the United States.

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The thought did cross my mind that it certainly could be a hostile.

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Are they really an adversarial technology that has managed to hoodwink us and leapfrog ahead of the United States going back decades?

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If that's the case, then I think we have a much, much bigger problem on our hands because that means there is something inherently broken with our national security apparatus.

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I think it very well could be a significant national security issue if we just kind of bury our head in the sand or look away, we're screwed.

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Lua Elizondo has returned from meeting four American veterans who claim to have seen UFOs similar to the Tic Tac witnessed by pilots from the USS Nimitz in 2004, sightings in war zones dating back 50 years.

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The testimony that we are seeing now from these courageous individuals, I think it's beginning to open the aperture and what we're now realizing it wasn't just the USS Nimitz and flying Tic Tacs.

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It goes all the way back to Vietnam.

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For Elizondo and his team, serious questions remain about the origin of these objects and the threat they represent.

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The stunning and concerning thing about these unidentified aerial phenomenon is they demonstrate performance characteristics that are far superior to anything in the U.S. inventory at either a classified or unclassified level.

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If it's not us, then it's not them that have me to somebody else.

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Now he's meeting with his team member, Steve Justice, one of the most respected aviation experts in the United States.

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Justice was a director at Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works, where he helped develop some of America's most advanced top-secret aircraft.

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I kind of want to run by you some of these scenarios, these experiences, if you're okay with that.

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Yeah, yeah, sure.

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Elizondo wants Justice to explore whether wartime sightings of Tic Tac-like objects can be explained by conventional technology.

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Once I got to our eight o'clock position, it did a rapid climb and just in the blink of an eye, went straight up and just shot right up in the sky.

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1999, where were we with our technology then, as far as objects that could operate from 30,000 feet and all of a sudden pop up to 80,000 feet and disappear?

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We don't have that today, so I don't know why we would have it, you know, in the 1990s.

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In 1999, which we did have lasers.

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Oh, absolutely.

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It's possible that someone could have been shooting a laser from the ground.

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In the late 1990s, the U.S. had begun testing a ground-based chemical laser capable of hitting objects in space.

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If there were nighttime and it were visible laser, then you would see the beam.

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So, what technology can you talk about that the enemy might have had in the late 90s?

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The only things I know of are all very conventional things.

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I don't know of anything that was exotic.

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Elizondo also wants to know what justice thinks about a nighttime sighting ten years later by Justin Dorfler in Afghanistan.

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This thing from a dead stop, going straight, straight, it only moved in straight lines.

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Aviation expert Bill Scott theorized the objects could be anti-missile decoys.

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But Afghanistan also saw a new generation of unmanned aerial vehicles, or UAVs. Could it have been one of them?

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This was kind of the place where UAVs really got their traction.

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But I don't know of any UAVs that do that.

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Maneuver like that? Yes, but not at those speeds.

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Elizondo has one more sighting he wants Steve Justice to look at. One that's also confounded the experts.

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The bizarre metallic object that appeared to be hovering in the sky as Brian Weston's A6 intruder flew by more than five decades earlier over North Vietnam.

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Probably about three feet in diameter and maybe five or eight feet long. This thing just wafted over the wing or right next to it. I mean, was it with an inch?

454
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,000
Could it have been an artillery shell visible from Weston's low-flying A6?

455
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,000
Think of a tic-tac with a flat end on the back.

456
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:23,000
Artillery shells that are fired off of battleships are relatively blunt.

457
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,000
I've seen one 5'5'' shell from Paladins.

458
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:33,000
If you know what you're looking for, you can see them. You know, I'll admit, I can't explain. Low altitude, typically shells are arching through the air.

459
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,000
He said it was just sitting there.

460
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,000
So I can't explain that.

461
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,000
Color. Let's go to color.

462
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,000
Silver. Like, color.

463
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,000
Yeah, I can't really explain that.

464
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:49,000
And what about if it's not going up an object coming down like some sort of reconnaissance balloon?

465
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,000
I mean, the closest thing to the shape that you've described is an A-pump canister, to be perfectly honest with you.

466
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:02,000
But an A-pump was also dropped from relatively low altitudes, who were dropped from treetop levels.

467
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,000
What other considerations then should we be looking at here?

468
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:13,000
This falls into that unidentified category. You know, there's just some of these things that can't be explained.

469
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:24,000
David Clark is an investigative journalist who combed through the British National Archives, studying military UFO sightings.

470
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,000
Pilots, however highly trained they are, are human beings.

471
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,000
He believes that many of these sightings can be attributed to the fog of war.

472
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,000
Particularly in wartime, where you're on edge, every time you go out, you don't know whether you're going to return.

473
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,000
You're going without sleep.

474
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:46,000
Some of the pilots have actually admitted this, that maybe they saw quite ordinary things and thought there was something extraordinary.

475
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,000
Others disagree and say the heat of battle can make service members better observers.

476
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:58,000
I think you have to look at these reports on a case-by-case basis and the data that's available.

477
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,000
I don't think you can paint with a broad brush and say, oh, that's just the fog of war.

478
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,000
If anything, your senses are raised during that.

479
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:12,000
Because of the heightened sense of awareness, they saw something they might not have normally seen.

480
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,000
I think that's a benefit to us, not a liability.

481
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,000
For the veterans who remember these events as if they were yesterday, there's no question.

482
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:28,000
For something to be in your airspace without any form that you can recognize, no wings, no engine, no exhaust.

483
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,000
And it's like, well, it shouldn't have been there, but what do you do when it is there?

484
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,000
And somebody said, well, it really wasn't there.

485
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:41,000
Well, all I can say is it was there. I saw it clearly. Bill saw it clearly. It was startling.

486
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:53,000
Louis Elizondo has been investigating a pattern of sightings of tic-tac-like UFOs in America's war zones.

487
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,000
Could they be a threat to national security?

488
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:03,000
Today, he's briefing the team, Tom DeLong, Chris Mellon and Steve Justice, on what he's found.

489
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:10,000
When I was in ATIP, we really focused primarily looking at the USS Nimitz incident and forward.

490
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:22,000
I was shocked to learn that some of the same observables that we noticed were precisely the same observables that were being reported even back in the 1960s.

491
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:30,000
Elizondo details Derek Tarr's UFO sighting during the Kosovo conflict in 1999, which displayed some of those observables.

492
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:39,000
It starts to maneuver in a very peculiar manner, something that we now know from the Nimitz event, the tic-tac event.

493
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:45,000
Basically this weird type of 90-degree right turns.

494
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,000
The ricochet kind of thing.

495
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,000
Like a ping-pong, right? Like a ricochet.

496
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:57,000
The team finds clear similarities between the UFOs seen during recent conflicts and the object observed by US Navy pilots in 2004.

497
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:02,000
I think this fits in the same category as the reports on the East Coast and the tic-tacs.

498
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:09,000
In each case, they believe the tic-tacs were displaying capabilities not consistent with known technology, US or otherwise.

499
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,000
But there's one last piece of the puzzle to consider.

500
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,000
Gentlemen, I'd like to introduce you to a friend of mine.

501
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,000
This is Lieutenant Commander Brian Westin, retired.

502
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:29,000
Elizondo has invited retired Lieutenant Commander Brian Westin to meet the team and discuss the UFO he saw over North Vietnam in 1966.

503
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:37,000
This individual happens to not only be a patriot, but frankly, in my opinion, a war hero during the early days of Vietnam.

504
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,000
He encountered a pretty remarkable event.

505
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,000
What I saw didn't make any sense in the context of the time.

506
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:51,000
Here we have something that is not unlike the description of the tic-tac and other things that we reported on.

507
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,000
And you have this instantaneous acceleration and even low observability.

508
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,000
And this is going back to 1966.

509
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,000
Was it flying the opposite direction or something? Or you pass it potentially?

510
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,000
Did not see it coming. All I saw was right there, just wafted by it.

511
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,000
This thing was in here. It got there somehow.

512
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,000
If it wasn't propulsion like I'm used to or a jet or a rocket or something, no wings.

513
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,000
I mean, there's about only one thing left as far as I can see is anti-gravity.

514
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:24,000
And if we had that and people knew about it, how they could sit on it would be absolutely beyond me.

515
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:31,000
When we develop a game-changing technology, it's not uncommon that we feel that during times of conflict, right?

516
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:48,000
I can't imagine, given our conflict in Afghanistan and Iraq and Kosovo and Vietnam, that we have managed to sit on a game-changing technology, putting pilot's lives in danger this entire time for more than a damn near 60 years.

517
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:54,000
We just don't sit on technology that long, even with nuclear technology. We use it. We implement it.

518
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,000
We don't necessarily use it.

519
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,000
Okay, so we don't use it as a library.

520
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,000
We don't use it as a library.

521
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,000
It would be a strict case where we would use it.

522
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,000
We use them every day for deterrents.

523
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,000
So I'm going to take the other side of the devil's advocate thing.

524
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:12,000
So unlike nuclear weapons, which do represent a big deterrent, if you were to talk about this, would it be a deterrent?

525
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,000
No, if anything, it would just draw curiosity.

526
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:24,000
So if it represented a game-changing capability, would you not tend to sit on it and hold it down tight?

527
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,000
Yes, but I wouldn't be then flying it.

528
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,000
You keep it secret, it's locked in a warehouse and nobody sees it.

529
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:39,000
You do not fly that thing within inches of a fully combat-capable A6 over North Vietnam.

530
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,000
If you're talking about whether this thing was some secret US weapons program, heck no.

531
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:54,000
For now, the team can't definitively conclude that the UFOs reported during the Vietnam War match those seen in more recent conflicts.

532
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,000
But one thing is certain.

533
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,000
What you lived through, what you survived, what you did is amazing.

534
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,000
It was a lot of sacrifice too, incredible.

535
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,000
I mean, it's burdened into my memory.

536
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:13,000
So too is their ongoing mission, the need to keep investigating the strange objects in the sky and determine what they might be.

537
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:20,000
It took me a decade. I stayed in the shadows. I now know I wasn't alone.

538
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:27,000
And I'm telling you guys, you're not alone either. The conversation's open and it's not going away.

539
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:39,000
I don't think that calculus has changed since Vietnam, or frankly from World War II, or frankly from the 1900s, or frankly from the Civil War, or frankly from 2,000 years ago in Rome.

540
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,000
And I think the time has come that we open our eyes and we finally address what the hell's going on.

541
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,000
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542
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:51,000
The team scours the globe on covering UFO hotspots.

543
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,000
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544
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,000
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545
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546
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:07,000
It was a perfect black equilateral triangle.

547
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,000
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548
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,000
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549
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,000
I saw this bright light and when I assumed I had to see this circular shape.

550
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,000
Never before heard stories.

551
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,000
They were there scoping out our capabilities.

552
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,000
It's as if it's never left. It changed everything.

553
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,000
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554
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,000
And out of nowhere, this object drops out from the sky at an incredible speed.

555
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,000
Vea lovriente.

556
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,000
What?

557
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,000
That for me was a drop the mic moment.

558
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,000
We were flying in our skies.

559
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:48,000
They definitely weren't planes. They had different lights and just no rhyme or reason to where they were flying.

560
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:54,000
Something was coming up underneath me. Unverifiable, unidentifiable, but undeniable.

561
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,000
If one of these did hit one of our airplanes, it most likely would kill everybody on board.